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|English={{bcaverse|Padmakara2006|9.118}}If an almighty deity is said to be the cause of beings, it is incumbent upon those who make this assertion to define his nature.{{note|225|It is perhaps worth remembering that the Buddhist critique here is directed at the pantheistic notions of Indian philosophy, not the beliefs of the three monotheistic religions of Semitic origin, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, to which only some of Shantideva’s arguments are relevant.}} It will be said, perhaps, that he is the great elements: earth, air, fire, and water. Let{{pagebreak|372|The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech}} us admit this for the sake of argument. Since all things come into being on the basis of these elements, the latter may be regarded as the (material) cause of the former. This is in fact the Buddhist position also; the only difference is in the name. What they call “God,” we Buddhists refer to as the elements. And since people can name things as they wish, why go to the trouble of proving the existence of God? It does not make sense. Or again, why, Shantideva asks, should we weary ourselves with questions of mere terminology? He, for his part, will not do so. | |English={{bcaverse|Padmakara2006|9.118}}If an almighty deity is said to be the cause of beings, it is incumbent upon those who make this assertion to define his nature.{{note|225|It is perhaps worth remembering that the Buddhist critique here is directed at the pantheistic notions of Indian philosophy, not the beliefs of the three monotheistic religions of Semitic origin, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, to which only some of Shantideva’s arguments are relevant.}} It will be said, perhaps, that he is the great elements: earth, air, fire, and water. Let{{pagebreak|372|The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech}} us admit this [for the sake of argument]. Since all things come into being on the basis of these elements, the latter may be regarded as the (material) cause of the former. This is in fact the Buddhist position also; the only difference is in the name. What they call “God,” we Buddhists refer to as the elements. And since people can name things as they wish, why go to the trouble of proving the existence of God? It does not make sense. Or again, why, Shantideva asks, should we weary ourselves with questions of mere terminology? He, for his part, will not do so. | ||
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002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar/1889 ID: 002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar <br> Date: 10 June 2022 <br> Creator: Migmar;Gwen;Marcus;Jeremi <br> Origin: Tsadra Foundation
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| English | If Īshvara is held to be the cause of beings, You must now define for us his nature. If, by this, you simply mean the elements, No need to tire ourselves disputing names!Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2010. us admit this [for the sake of argument]. Since all things come into being on the basis of these elements, the latter may be regarded as the (material) cause of the former. This is in fact the Buddhist position also; the only difference is in the name. What they call “God,” we Buddhists refer to as the elements. And since people can name things as they wish, why go to the trouble of proving the existence of God? It does not make sense. Or again, why, Shantideva asks, should we weary ourselves with questions of mere terminology? He, for his part, will not do so. |
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| RootTextChapterNum | 9 |
| RootTextVerseNum | 118 |
| SegmentFormat | Commentary |
| SourcePageNumber | 711 |
| SourceSabcheNumber | 2.3.2.1.2.1. |
| SourceSegmentOrder | 1889 |
| Tibetan | དབང་ཕྱུག་འགྲོ་བའི་རྒྱུ་ཡིན་ན། ། རེ་ཞིག་དབང་ཕྱུག་གང་ཡིན་སྨྲོས། ། འབྱུང་རྣམས་ཤེ་ན་དེ་ལྟ་མོད། ། མིང་ཙམ་ལ་ཡང་ཅི་ཞིག་ངལ། །dbang phyug 'gro ba'i rgyu yin na/_/ re zhig dbang phyug gang yin smros/_/ 'byung rnams she na de lta mod/_/ ming tsam la yang ci zhig ngal/_/ |
| TranslationChapter | 9 |
| TranslationChapterSubsection | Refutation of the Belief in Production from a Permanent Cause |
| TranslationCitation | Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2007. |
| TranslationPageNumber | 372 |
| TranslationPublishedYear | 2007 |
| TranslationWikiPage | The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech |
| Translator | Fletcher, W.; Blankleder, H. |
| Wylie | དབང་ཕྱུག་འགྲོ་བའི་རྒྱུ་ཡིན་ན། ། རེ་ཞིག་དབང་ཕྱུག་གང་ཡིན་སྨྲོས། ། འབྱུང་རྣམས་ཤེ་ན་དེ་ལྟ་མོད། ། མིང་ཙམ་ལ་ཡང་ཅི་ཞིག་ངལ། །dbang phyug 'gro ba'i rgyu yin na/_/ re zhig dbang phyug gang yin smros/_/ 'byung rnams she na de lta mod/_/ ming tsam la yang ci zhig ngal/_/ |
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| Parameter | Value |
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| AuthorLabel | Kunzang Palden 1862 - 1943 |
| DuplicateRootTranslation | false |
| Notes | First Translation Memory Created by Tsadra Foundation. |
| RootSourceTransMem | 001-Tsadra-BCA-Root-Padmakara |
| RootTextWikiPage | Texts/Bodhicaryāvatāra |
| ShortTitle | Padmakara (2006) |
| SourceAuthor | People/Kun bzang dpal ldan |
| SourceCitation | Kun bzang dpal ldan. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i tshig 'grel 'jam dbyangs bla ma'i zhal lung bdud rtsi'i thig pa. IN byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa. khreng tu'u: si khron mi rigs dpe skrun khang, 1990. BDRC W21985 |
| SourcePublishedYear | 1990 |
| SourceTitleTibetan | བྱང་ཆུབ་སེམས་དཔའི་སྤྱོད་པ་ལ་འཇུག་པའི་ཚིག་འགྲེལ་འཇམ་དབྱངས་བླ་མའི་ཞལ་ལུང་བདུད་རྩིའི་ཐིག་པ། |
| SourceTitleWylie | Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i tshig 'grel 'jam dbyangs bla ma'i zhal lung bdud rtsi'i thig pa |
| SourceVersionLabel | Kunzang Palden (1862 - 1943) |
| SourceWikiPage | Books/Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa (1990) |
| TranslationCitation | Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2007. |
| TranslationPublishedYear | 2007 |
| TranslationWikiPage | Books/The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech |
| Translator | People/Blankleder, H.;People/Fletcher, W.;People/Padmakara Translation Group |
| TransMemCreator | Migmar;Gwen;Marcus;Jeremi |
| TransMemDate | 10 June 2022 |
| TransMemID | 002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar |
| TransMemNum | 002 |
| TransMemOrigin | Tsadra Foundation |
| TransMemType | Commentary |
