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|English={{bcaverse|Padmakara2006|9.72}}For it is impossible to find an effect, the substantial cause of which has not ceased and is still present, for effects must manifest from causes. According to an alternative explanation, it has been said that it is impossible to find the performance of a causal action occurring in the same moment as the experience of its result, any more than a father and his son can be born simultaneously. Thus, at the time when the effect occurs, the cause has necessarily ceased. Nevertheless, by the ineluctable force of interdependence, it is certain that the effect will happen. Furthermore, this effect ripens wherever the causal conditions are all complete—in the mind stream of a specific person and not elsewhere. It is just as when seeds are sown in the earth. They spring up from the soil, not from rock. It is due to the fact that there is a single stream (one uninterrupted, homogeneous continuity) of the five aggregates, that the perpetrator of an act and the one who enjoys the result are said to be one and the same—which is, of course, the opinion that people commonly hold.
|English={{bcaverse|Padmakara2006|9.72}}For it is impossible to find an effect, the substantial cause of which has not ceased and is still present, for effects must manifest ''from'' causes. According to an alternative explanation, it has been said that it is impossible to find the performance of a causal action occurring in the same moment as the experience of its result, any more than a father and his son can be born simultaneously. Thus, at the time when the effect occurs, the cause has necessarily ceased. Nevertheless, by the ineluctable force of interdependence, it is certain that the effect will happen. Furthermore, this effect ripens wherever the causal conditions are all complete—in the mind stream of a specific person and not elsewhere. It is just as when seeds are sown in the earth. They spring up from the soil, not from rock. It is due to the fact that there is a single stream (one uninterrupted, homogeneous continuity) of the five aggregates, that the perpetrator of an act and the one who enjoys the result are said to be one and the same—which is, of course, the opinion that people commonly hold.
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002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar/1775 ID: 002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar <br> Date: 10 June 2022 <br> Creator: Migmar;Gwen;Marcus;Jeremi <br> Origin: Tsadra Foundation

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"A cause coterminous with its result”

Is something quite impossible to see. And only in the context of a single mental stream

Can it be said that one who acts will later reap the fruit.

For it is impossible to find an effect, the substantial cause of which has not ceased and is still present, for effects must manifest from causes. According to an alternative explanation, it has been said that it is impossible to find the performance of a causal action occurring in the same moment as the experience of its result, any more than a father and his son can be born simultaneously. Thus, at the time when the effect occurs, the cause has necessarily ceased. Nevertheless, by the ineluctable force of interdependence, it is certain that the effect will happen. Furthermore, this effect ripens wherever the causal conditions are all complete—in the mind stream of a specific person and not elsewhere. It is just as when seeds are sown in the earth. They spring up from the soil, not from rock. It is due to the fact that there is a single stream (one uninterrupted, homogeneous continuity) of the five aggregates, that the perpetrator of an act and the one who enjoys the result are said to be one and the same—which is, of course, the opinion that people commonly hold.

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2.2.1.2.3.1.

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Tibetan

རྒྱུ་ལྡན་འབྲས་བུ་དང་བཅས་ཞེས། །

མཐོང་བ་འདི་ནི་སྲིད་མ་ཡིན། ། རྒྱུད་གཅིག་ལ་ནི་བརྟེན་ནས་སུ། །

བྱེད་པོ་སྤྱོད་པོ་ཞེས་བྱར་བསྟན། །

rgyu ldan 'bras bu dang bcas zhes/_/

mthong ba 'di ni srid ma yin/_/ rgyud gcig la ni brten nas su/_/

byed po spyod po zhes byar bstan/_/

རྒྱུ་མ་འགགས་པར་ལྡན་བཞིན་དུ་འབྲས་བུ་དང་བཅས་ཞེས་ཏེ་དེའི་འབྲས་བུ་མཐོང་བ་འདི་ནི་སྲིད་པ་མ་ཡིན་ཏེ་རྒྱུ་ལས་འབྲས་བུ་འབྱུང་དགོས་པས་སོ། །ཡང་ན་རྒྱུ་ལས་བྱེད་པ་དང་ལྡན་པའི་སྐད་ཅིག་དེ་ཉིད་ཀྱིས་དེའི་འབྲས་བུ་མྱོང་བ་དང་བཅས་པ་ཞེས་མཐོང་བ་འདི་ནི་སྲིད་པ་མ་ཡིན་ཏེ་ཕ་བུ་དུས་མཉམ་མི་སྐྱེ་བ་བཞིན་ནོ། །ཞེས་གསུངས། དེས་ན་འབྲས་བུ་འབྱུང་བའི་དུས་ན་རྒྱུ་འགགས་པས་ཁྱབ་ཀྱང༌། རྟེན་འབྲེལ་བསླུ་བ་མེད་པའི་དབང་ལས་འབྲས་བུ་འབྱིན་པར་ནི་ངེས་ལ། དེ་འདྲའི་འབྲས་བུ་དེའང་རྒྱུའི་ཚོགས་པ་གང་དུ་ཚང་བ་གང་ཟག་གི་རྒྱུད་དེ་ཉིད་དུ་སྨིན་གྱི་གཞན་དུ་མ་ཡིན་ཏེ། ས་བོན་ས་ལ་བཏབ་པ་བྲག་ལ་མི་སྐྱེ་བ་བཞིན་ནོ། །དེས་ན་ཕུང་པོ་ལྔའི་རྒྱུན་རིགས་འདྲ་བར་མ་ཆད་པའི་རྒྱུད་གཅིག་ལ་ནི་བརྟེན་ནས་སུ་ལས་བྱེད་པ་པོ་དང་འབྲས་བུ་ལ་ལོངས་སྤྱོད་པ་པོ་ཞེས་བྱར་བསྟན་ཞེས་གཅིག་པའི་རྣམ་བཞག་མཛད་དེ་འཇིག་རྟེན་པའི་བློའི་ཚུལ་ལུགས་ཐམས་ཅད་དེ་ལྟར་གནས་པ་ཡིན་ནོ། །

TranslationChapter

9

TranslationChapterSubsection

The Nonexistence of the Self Is Not Incompatible with the Principle of Cause and Effect

TranslationCitation

Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2007.

TranslationPageNumber

353

TranslationPublishedYear

2007

TranslationWikiPage

The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech

Translator

Fletcher, W.; Blankleder, H.

Wylie

རྒྱུ་ལྡན་འབྲས་བུ་དང་བཅས་ཞེས། །

མཐོང་བ་འདི་ནི་སྲིད་མ་ཡིན། ། རྒྱུད་གཅིག་ལ་ནི་བརྟེན་ནས་སུ། །

བྱེད་པོ་སྤྱོད་པོ་ཞེས་བྱར་བསྟན། །

rgyu ldan 'bras bu dang bcas zhes/_/

mthong ba 'di ni srid ma yin/_/ rgyud gcig la ni brten nas su/_/

byed po spyod po zhes byar bstan/_/

rgyu ma 'gags par ldan bzhin du 'bras bu dang bcas zhes te de'i 'bras bu mthong ba 'di ni srid pa ma yin te rgyu las 'bras bu 'byung dgos pas so/_/yang na rgyu las byed pa dang ldan pa'i skad cig de nyid kyis de'i 'bras bu myong ba dang bcas pa zhes mthong ba 'di ni srid pa ma yin te pha bu dus mnyam mi skye ba bzhin no/_/zhes gsungs/_des na 'bras bu 'byung ba'i dus na rgyu 'gags pas khyab kyang /_rten 'brel bslu ba med pa'i dbang las 'bras bu 'byin par ni nges la/_de 'dra'i 'bras bu de'ang rgyu'i tshogs pa gang du tshang ba gang zag gi rgyud de nyid du smin gyi gzhan du ma yin te/_sa bon sa la btab pa brag la mi skye ba bzhin no/_/des na phung po lnga'i rgyun rigs 'dra bar ma chad pa'i rgyud gcig la ni brten nas su las byed pa po dang 'bras bu la longs spyod pa po zhes byar bstan zhes gcig pa'i rnam bzhag mdzad de 'jig rten pa'i blo'i tshul lugs thams cad de ltar gnas pa yin no/_/

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1862 - 1943
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ShortTitle Padmakara (2006)
SourceAuthor People/Kun bzang dpal ldan
SourceCitation Kun bzang dpal ldan. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i tshig 'grel 'jam dbyangs bla ma'i zhal lung bdud rtsi'i thig pa. IN byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa. khreng tu'u: si khron mi rigs dpe skrun khang, 1990. BDRC W21985
SourcePublishedYear 1990
SourceTitleTibetan བྱང་ཆུབ་སེམས་དཔའི་སྤྱོད་པ་ལ་འཇུག་པའི་ཚིག་འགྲེལ་འཇམ་དབྱངས་བླ་མའི་ཞལ་ལུང་བདུད་རྩིའི་ཐིག་པ།
SourceTitleWylie Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i tshig 'grel 'jam dbyangs bla ma'i zhal lung bdud rtsi'i thig pa
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TranslationCitation Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2007.
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TransMemCreator Migmar;Gwen;Marcus;Jeremi
TransMemDate 10 June 2022
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