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|TranslationChapterSubsection=The Actual Refutation of Self-Production: the Main Argument | |TranslationChapterSubsection=The Actual Refutation of Self-Production: the Main Argument | ||
|SourceSabcheNumber=2.3.2.1.3.2. | |SourceSabcheNumber=2.3.2.1.3.2. | ||
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|TransMemDate=June 10, 2022 | |TransMemDate=June 10, 2022 | ||
|TransMemCreator=Kiran; Gwen; Marcus; Jeremi | |TransMemCreator=Kiran; Gwen; Marcus; Jeremi | ||
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002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar/1918 ID: 002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar <br> Date: 10 June 2022 <br> Creator: Migmar;Gwen;Marcus;Jeremi <br> Origin: Tsadra Foundation
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| English | If there is no object for analysis, There can be no grasping of its nonexistence. And so deceptive objects of whatever kind Will also have a nonexistence equally deceptive.Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2010. object called “emptiness,” regarded as something established by valid cognition. The reason is that, without referring to or basing oneself on a pot or some other actual thing, it is never possible to conceive of a “nonpot” or “nonexistent pot,” [a nonthing or nonexistent thing,] as if this were a separate entity. For this reason, the emptiness of the pot, in the sense of the nonexistent pot, is a lesser, approximate form of emptiness. For it is just the clearing away or refutation of its existence aspect.227The pairing “thing-nonthing” (dngos po-dngos med) is familiar from the classification of phenomena in the Sautrantika system of Dignaga and Dharmakirti. Here it refers to the distinction between concrete, extramental, functioning things (dngos po), which are the objects of perception, and general ideas, mental aspects, and so on (dngos med), which are the objects of conception. In the Madhyamaka context, however, the contrast between thing and nonthing refers to the difference between “things that are existent” and “things that are nonexistent”—the existent pot (bum pa) and the nonexistent pot (bum med). Without going into the (considerable) philosophical complexities implied by such expressions, the point being made here is that, in the bid to understand and establish emptiness, we might use reasoning to prove that a concrete object, such as a pot, has no true existence. We thus arrive at the idea of the nonexistent pot as compared with the existent pot that we had previously thought of. To prove that a phenomenon is not truly existent in the way that it appears is a major step toward understanding its emptiness (for that reason it is referred to as an “approximate or lesser emptiness”). This, however, is not the Madhyamaka view, which is a refutation of all four ontological extremes. The true status of phenomena is beyond conceptual and verbal expression. Phenomena are empty not only of existence, but also of nonexistence and of both and of neither. Therefore the Madhyamikas say that because things are deceptive or unreal in themselves, their nonexistence is also clearly and certainly unreal also.228Since the referent (the existent phenomenon) is unreal, that which is based on it (the nonexistent phenomenon) is also unreal. |
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| RootTextChapterNum | 9 |
| RootTextVerseNum | 139 |
| SegmentFormat | Commentary |
| SourcePageNumber | 721 |
| SourceSabcheNumber | 2.3.2.1.3.2. |
| SourceSegmentOrder | 1918 |
| Tibetan | བརྟགས་པའི་དངོས་ལ་མ་རེག་པར། ། དེ་ཡི་དངོས་མེད་འཛིན་མ་ཡིན། ། དེ་ཕྱིར་བརྫུན་པའི་དངོས་གང་ཡིན། ། དེ་ཡི་དངོས་མེད་གསལ་བར་བརྫུན། །brtags pa'i dngos la ma reg par/_/ de yi dngos med 'dzin ma yin/_/ de phyir brdzun pa'i dngos gang yin/_/ de yi dngos med gsal bar brdzun/_/ |
| TranslationChapter | 9 |
| TranslationChapterSubsection | The Actual Refutation of Self-Production: the Main Argument |
| TranslationCitation | Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2007. |
| TranslationPageNumber | 378 |
| TranslationPublishedYear | 2007 |
| TranslationWikiPage | The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech |
| Translator | Fletcher, W.; Blankleder, H. |
| Wylie | བརྟགས་པའི་དངོས་ལ་མ་རེག་པར། ། དེ་ཡི་དངོས་མེད་འཛིན་མ་ཡིན། ། དེ་ཕྱིར་བརྫུན་པའི་དངོས་གང་ཡིན། ། དེ་ཡི་དངོས་མེད་གསལ་བར་བརྫུན། །brtags pa'i dngos la ma reg par/_/ de yi dngos med 'dzin ma yin/_/ de phyir brdzun pa'i dngos gang yin/_/ de yi dngos med gsal bar brdzun/_/ |
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| Parameter | Value |
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| AuthorLabel | Kunzang Palden 1862 - 1943 |
| DuplicateRootTranslation | false |
| Notes | First Translation Memory Created by Tsadra Foundation. |
| RootSourceTransMem | 001-Tsadra-BCA-Root-Padmakara |
| RootTextWikiPage | Texts/Bodhicaryāvatāra |
| ShortTitle | Padmakara (2006) |
| SourceAuthor | People/Kun bzang dpal ldan |
| SourceCitation | Kun bzang dpal ldan. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i tshig 'grel 'jam dbyangs bla ma'i zhal lung bdud rtsi'i thig pa. IN byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa. khreng tu'u: si khron mi rigs dpe skrun khang, 1990. BDRC W21985 |
| SourcePublishedYear | 1990 |
| SourceTitleTibetan | བྱང་ཆུབ་སེམས་དཔའི་སྤྱོད་པ་ལ་འཇུག་པའི་ཚིག་འགྲེལ་འཇམ་དབྱངས་བླ་མའི་ཞལ་ལུང་བདུད་རྩིའི་ཐིག་པ། |
| SourceTitleWylie | Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i tshig 'grel 'jam dbyangs bla ma'i zhal lung bdud rtsi'i thig pa |
| SourceVersionLabel | Kunzang Palden (1862 - 1943) |
| SourceWikiPage | Books/Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa (1990) |
| TranslationCitation | Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2007. |
| TranslationPublishedYear | 2007 |
| TranslationWikiPage | Books/The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech |
| Translator | People/Blankleder, H.;People/Fletcher, W.;People/Padmakara Translation Group |
| TransMemCreator | Migmar;Gwen;Marcus;Jeremi |
| TransMemDate | 10 June 2022 |
| TransMemID | 002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar |
| TransMemNum | 002 |
| TransMemOrigin | Tsadra Foundation |
| TransMemType | Commentary |
