Translation Memory:002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar/966

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002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar/966 ID: 002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar <br> Date: 10 June 2022 <br> Creator: Migmar;Gwen;Marcus;Jeremi <br> Origin: Tsadra Foundation

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If, when conditions act on it, it stays just as it was before,

What influence have these conditions had? They say that these are agents of the self,

But what connection could there be between them?78Stanzas 29 and 30 refer to the Nyāya-Vaisheṣhika school. According to this theory, and in contrast with that of the Sāṃkhya school and the Vedānta after it, the (permanent) self—as distinct from the mind—is regarded as knowable. In other words, it is the object, rather than the subject, of consciousness. It is believed to enter into relation with the mind and subsequently to identify experiences as its own. Here again, belief in the permanence of the self entails insuperable difficulties. If the self is permanent, how could it ever be said to meet with new factors and assimilate them? In holding that the self is conscious or unconscious, respectively, the Sāmkhya and Nyāya-Vaisheshika schools occupy, from the Madhyamaka point of view, two extremes of the metaphysical spectrum. When these two views are refuted, all intermediary positions are disposed of at the same time. This is doubtless why Shāntideva juxtaposes the two theories here, as he does again in the ninth chapter.

Therefore even if the mind and other circumstantial conditions were to assist it, if the self cannot change from what it was previously, what property could these conditions or mind elicit from it that was not already present? None at all. Indeed, if they did succeed in doing so, this would disprove the self ’s permanence. Thus even though the Naiyayikas claim that such conditions are auxiliaries to the self, what connection can there possibly be between these two in terms of assistant and assisted? For whatever is permanent cannot be assisted by circumstantial conditions.

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6

RootTextVerseNum

30

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Commentary

SourcePageNumber

431

SourceSabcheNumber

2.2.1.1.2.

SourceSegmentOrder

966

Tibetan

བྱེད་པའི་ཚེ་ཡང་སྔོན་བཞིན་ན། །

བྱེད་པས་དེ་ལ་ཅི་ཞིག་བྱས། ། དེ་ཡི་བྱེད་པ་འདི་ཡིན་ཞེས། །

འབྲེལ་[p.51]Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa (1990)
Slob dpon zhi ba lha and Mkhan po kun dpal. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa. Khreng tu'u: Si khron mi rigs dpe skrun khang, 1990.
བར་འགྱུར་བ་གང་ཞིག་ཡོད། །

byed pa'i tshe yang sngon bzhin na/_/

byed pas de la ci zhig byas/_/ de yi byed pa 'di yin zhes/_/

'brel [p.51]Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa (1990)
Slob dpon zhi ba lha and Mkhan po kun dpal. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa. Khreng tu'u: Si khron mi rigs dpe skrun khang, 1990.
bar 'gyur ba gang zhig yod/_/

འདི་ལྟར་སེམས་པ་སོགས་རྐྱེན་གཞན་གྱིས་ཕན་པར་བྱེད་པའི་ཚེ་ཡང་བདག་ད་སྔོན་བཞིན་ལས་མ་འགྱུར་ན། སེམས་པས་སམ་རྐྱེན་གྱི་བྱེད་པས་བདག་དེ་ལ་སྔར་མེད་ཀྱི་ཁྱད་པར་ཅི་ཞིག་བྱས་ཏེ་མ་བྱས་སོ། །གལ་ཏེ་བྱས་ན་རྟག་པ་ཉམས་སོ། །དེ་བས་ན་བདག་དེ་ཡི་ཕན་འདོགས་པར་བྱེད་པ་པོ་འདི་ཡིན་ནོ་ཞེས་དེ་གཉིས་ལ་[p.432]Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa (1990)
Slob dpon zhi ba lha and Mkhan po kun dpal. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa. Khreng tu'u: Si khron mi rigs dpe skrun khang, 1990.
ཕན་ཚུན་ཕན་གདག་བྱ་འདོགས་བྱེད་དུ་འབྲེལ་བར་འགྱུར་བ་གང་ཅི་ཞིག་ཡོད་དེ་རྟག་པ་ལ་རྐྱེན་གྱིས་ཕན་གདགས་པར་མི་ནུས་པའི་ཕྱིར་རོ། །

TranslationChapter

6

TranslationChapterSubsection

Patience That Consists in Certainty with Regard to the Ultimate Reality of Things

TranslationCitation

Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2007.

TranslationPageNumber

207

TranslationPublishedYear

2007

TranslationWikiPage

The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech

Translator

Fletcher, W.; Blankleder, H.

Wylie

བྱེད་པའི་ཚེ་ཡང་སྔོན་བཞིན་ན། །

བྱེད་པས་དེ་ལ་ཅི་ཞིག་བྱས། ། དེ་ཡི་བྱེད་པ་འདི་ཡིན་ཞེས། །

འབྲེལ་[p.51]Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa (1990)
Slob dpon zhi ba lha and Mkhan po kun dpal. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa. Khreng tu'u: Si khron mi rigs dpe skrun khang, 1990.
བར་འགྱུར་བ་གང་ཞིག་ཡོད། །

byed pa'i tshe yang sngon bzhin na/_/

byed pas de la ci zhig byas/_/ de yi byed pa 'di yin zhes/_/

'brel [p.51]Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa (1990)
Slob dpon zhi ba lha and Mkhan po kun dpal. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa. Khreng tu'u: Si khron mi rigs dpe skrun khang, 1990.
bar 'gyur ba gang zhig yod/_/

'di ltar sems pa sogs rkyen gzhan gyis phan par byed pa'i tshe yang bdag da sngon bzhin las ma 'gyur na/_sems pas sam rkyen gyi byed pas bdag de la sngar med kyi khyad par ci zhig byas te ma byas so/_/gal te byas na rtag pa nyams so/_/de bas na bdag de yi phan 'dogs par byed pa po 'di yin no zhes de gnyis la[p.432]Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa (1990)
Slob dpon zhi ba lha and Mkhan po kun dpal. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa. Khreng tu'u: Si khron mi rigs dpe skrun khang, 1990.
phan tshun phan gdag bya 'dogs byed du 'brel bar 'gyur ba gang ci zhig yod de rtag pa la rkyen gyis phan gdags par mi nus pa'i phyir ro/_/

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AuthorLabel Kunzang Palden
1862 - 1943
DuplicateRootTranslation false
Notes First Translation Memory Created by Tsadra Foundation.
RootSourceTransMem 001-Tsadra-BCA-Root-Padmakara
RootTextWikiPage Texts/Bodhicaryāvatāra
ShortTitle Padmakara (2006)
SourceAuthor People/Kun bzang dpal ldan
SourceCitation Kun bzang dpal ldan. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i tshig 'grel 'jam dbyangs bla ma'i zhal lung bdud rtsi'i thig pa. IN byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa. khreng tu'u: si khron mi rigs dpe skrun khang, 1990. BDRC W21985
SourcePublishedYear 1990
SourceTitleTibetan བྱང་ཆུབ་སེམས་དཔའི་སྤྱོད་པ་ལ་འཇུག་པའི་ཚིག་འགྲེལ་འཇམ་དབྱངས་བླ་མའི་ཞལ་ལུང་བདུད་རྩིའི་ཐིག་པ།
SourceTitleWylie Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i tshig 'grel 'jam dbyangs bla ma'i zhal lung bdud rtsi'i thig pa
SourceVersionLabel Kunzang Palden (1862 - 1943)
SourceWikiPage Books/Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa (1990)
TranslationCitation Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2007.
TranslationPublishedYear 2007
TranslationWikiPage Books/The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech
Translator People/Blankleder, H.;People/Fletcher, W.;People/Padmakara Translation Group
TransMemCreator Migmar;Gwen;Marcus;Jeremi
TransMemDate 10 June 2022
TransMemID 002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar
TransMemNum 002
TransMemOrigin Tsadra Foundation
TransMemType Commentary