Translation Memory:002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar/1758

002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar/1758 ID: 002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar <br> Date: 10 June 2022 <br> Creator: Migmar;Gwen;Marcus;Jeremi <br> Origin: Tsadra Foundation

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English	The example that the Samkhyas give is invalid. When one says that a man is both father and son, one is merely attaching labels to him on the basis of two distinct relationships. He cannot, in any absolute sense, and by nature, be both father and son. If by nature he is truly existent as father, it[p.350]The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2010. is impossible for him ever to assume the condition of being a son, since in that case, fatherhood takes precedence over sonship. On the other hand, if by nature he is truly existent as a son, it is impossible for him to become a father, because it is impossible for [the truly existent state of] sonship to precede [a later] state of fatherhood. This whole matter is simply one of labeling. As such, we have certainly no intention of refuting it, and in any case it does not prove what the Samkhyas want it to prove.214Tom, the father of Dick, is the son of Harry. It is only in terms of his connections with Dick and Harry that Tom can be simultaneously described as both father and son. The mistake of the Samkhyas is to absolutize relations, which are by definition relative. If the definition of Tom is completely exhausted in the fact of his sonship (which must be the case if he is indivisibly “one” and by nature a truly existent son), he is locked for all eternity in his relation with Harry. There is no room for his relation with Dick. The same is true, mutatis mutandis, regarding his fatherhood.
RootTextChapterNum	9
RootTextVerseNum	63
SegmentFormat	Commentary
SourcePageNumber	672
SourceSabcheNumber	2.2.1.2.1.
SourceSegmentOrder	1758
Tibetan	དེའི་དཔེ་མ་གྲུབ་སྟེ་སྐྱེས་བུ་གཅིག་ནི་ཕ་དང་བུ་ཉིད་དུ་བཞག་པ་ནི་ལྟོས་ས་ཐ་དད་པ་གཉིས་ལ་ལྟོས་ནས་བརྟགས་པའམ་བཏགས་པ་ཙམ་ཡིན་གྱི །དོན་དམ་པར་རང་གི་ངོ་བོས་ཕ་བུ་གཉིས་ཀར་ཡང་དག་པར་ཉིད་དུ་གྲུབ་པ་མིན་ཏེ། །རང་གི་ངོ་བོས་ཕར་བདེན་པར་གྲུབ་ན་དེའི་བུའི་གནས་སྐབས་སུ་འགྱུར་བ་མི་སྲིད་དེ་ཕ་ནི་བུའི་སྔོན་དུ་ཡོད་པས་ཁྱབ་པའི་ཕྱིར། ཡང་བུའི་རང་བཞིན་དུ་བདེན་པར་གྲུབ་ན་ཕར་འགྱུར་མི་སྲིད་དེ་བུ་ཕའི་སྔོན་དུ་མི་སྲིད་པའི་ཕྱིར། དེས་ན་དེ་བཏགས་པ་ཙམ་མོ། །བཏགས་པ་ཙམ་ནི་ངེད་ཀྱིས་ཀྱང་འགོག་པར་མི་འདོད་མོད་དེས་ཁྱོད་ཀྱི་ཞེ་འདོད་འགྲུབ་པར་མི་འགྱུར་རོ། །
TranslationChapter	9
TranslationChapterSubsection	Refutation of the Belief in a Self That Is Conscious
TranslationCitation	Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2007.
TranslationPageNumber	349
TranslationPublishedYear	2007
TranslationWikiPage	The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech
Translator	Fletcher, W.; Blankleder, H.
Wylie	de'i dpe ma grub ste skyes bu gcig ni pha dang bu nyid du bzhag pa ni ltos sa tha dad pa gnyis la ltos nas brtags pa'am btags pa tsam yin gyi_/don dam par rang gi ngo bos pha bu gnyis kar yang dag par nyid du grub pa min te/_/
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Parameter	Value
AuthorLabel	Kunzang Palden 1862 - 1943
DuplicateRootTranslation	false
Notes	First Translation Memory Created by Tsadra Foundation.
RootSourceTransMem	001-Tsadra-BCA-Root-Padmakara
RootTextWikiPage	Texts/Bodhicaryāvatāra
ShortTitle	Padmakara (2006)
SourceAuthor	People/Kun bzang dpal ldan
SourceCitation	Kun bzang dpal ldan. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i tshig 'grel 'jam dbyangs bla ma'i zhal lung bdud rtsi'i thig pa. IN byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa. khreng tu'u: si khron mi rigs dpe skrun khang, 1990. BDRC W21985
SourcePublishedYear	1990
SourceTitleTibetan	བྱང་ཆུབ་སེམས་དཔའི་སྤྱོད་པ་ལ་འཇུག་པའི་ཚིག་འགྲེལ་འཇམ་དབྱངས་བླ་མའི་ཞལ་ལུང་བདུད་རྩིའི་ཐིག་པ།
SourceTitleWylie	Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i tshig 'grel 'jam dbyangs bla ma'i zhal lung bdud rtsi'i thig pa
SourceVersionLabel	Kunzang Palden (1862 - 1943)
SourceWikiPage	Books/Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa (1990)
TranslationCitation	Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2007.
TranslationPublishedYear	2007
TranslationWikiPage	Books/The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech
Translator	People/Blankleder, H.;People/Fletcher, W.;People/Padmakara Translation Group
TransMemCreator	Migmar;Gwen;Marcus;Jeremi
TransMemDate	10 June 2022
TransMemID	002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar
TransMemNum	002
TransMemOrigin	Tsadra Foundation
TransMemType	Commentary