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011-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Pawo/964 ID: 011-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Pawo <br> Date: 1 April 2025 <br> Creator: Gwen, Karma Jurmay, Dawa, Migmar;Jeremi <br> Origin: Tsadra Foundation

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This is a nonconcordant example: The existence of the seed is verified through consciousness, which is something other than and different from the sprout. [882] The consciousness that arises from a knowable object verifies,[p.744]The Center of the Sunlit Sky
Brunnhölzl, Karl. The Center of the Sunlit Sky: Madhyamaka in the Kagyü Tradition. Including a translation of Pawo Rinpoche's commentary on the knowledge section of Śāntideva's The Entrance to the Bodhisattva’s Way of Life (Bodhicaryāvatāra). Nitartha Institute Series. Ithaca, NY: Snow Lion Publications, 2004.
“There is a knowable object.” What reason should prompt any consciousness other than this [first] consciousness to realize its existence? [There is no such other consciousness,] because one cannot observe any consciousness other than this consciousness that has arisen from knowable objects, that is, any other consciousness that realizes [this first one].1724The gist of this is as follows: In the example, the existence of the seed is not revealed merely by the material sprout (it neither perceives nor infers its own cause). Rather, our mind has to first perceive the sprout (the result) and then infer the existence of the seed (its cause) based on this perception (which, moreover, requires a proper understanding of causality in general and in this specific case; for example, mere observation of a sprout by a baby without such an understanding would not reveal the existence of the seed to this baby). Thus, this is a process that is more complex than the example suggests. On the other hand, the implication when the opponent’s example is applied to consciousness and knowable object is that—just as the perception of a sprout may lead to an inference about the seed—consciousness itself [the result] should be perceived (a) and thus lead to an inference (b) about the real existence of objects (its cause). However, such two extra consciousnesses (a) and (b) are not observed and moreover are superfluous. Conventionally speaking, unlike a sprout, consciousness in itself is what reveals its perceived object (though not its real existence). Thus, there is no need for this mere perception of an object to lead to a further perception of itself plus to some inference about the existence of an object that it already perceived. Even if one assumes such further consciousnesses, what would they look like? It was already refuted in the section on self-awareness that a given consciousness itself can perceive its own existence (verses 17ff.). If it were another consciousness that perceives the existence of the first one, this would result in the fallacy of infinite regress. Thus, a (really existing) perception of this first consciousness is impossible, not to mention an ensuing inference that is based on such a perception. Consequently, the (real) existence of objects cannot be inferred by reason of a consciousness that perceives them. If the perception of objects were proof of their real existence, this would moreover lead to the absurd consequence that the objects that are perceived in a dream are really existent outside referents, because they are perceived.

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9

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114;115

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881

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Tibetan

དེ་ནི་དཔེ་མི་མཚུངས་ཏེ་མྱུ་གུ་ལས་དོན་གཞན་ཞིང་ཐ་དད་པའི་ཤེས་པ་ཡིས་ས་བོན་ཡོད་ཅེས་རྟོགས་པར་འགྱུར་བ་ཡིན་ལ། གང་གི་ཕྱིར་ཤེས་བྱ་ལས་སྐྱེས་པའི་ཤེས་པ་དེས་ཤེས་བྱ་ཡོད་ཅེས་རྟོགས་པར་འགྱུར་ན་ཤེས་པ་ཡོད་པ་ཉིད་དེ་ལས་གཞན་པའི་ཤེས་པ་གང་གིས་རྒྱུ་མཚན་གང་ལས་རྟོགས་ཏེ། ཤེས་བྱ་ལས་སྐྱེས་པའི་ཤེས་པ་ལས་གཞན་པའི་ཤེས་པ་གང་རྟོགས་བྱེད་ཀྱི་ཤེས་པ་གཞན་མ་དམིགས་པའི་ཕྱིར་རོ། །

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9

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Teaching That There Are No Means to Prove [Real] Entities

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743

Wylie

de ni dpe mi mtshungs te myu gu las don gzhan zhing tha dad pa'i shes pa yis sa bon yod ces rtogs par 'gyur ba yin la/_gang gi phyir shes bya las skyes pa'i shes pa des shes bya yod ces rtogs par 'gyur na shes pa yod pa nyid de las gzhan pa'i shes pa gang gis rgyu mtshan gang las rtogs te/_shes bya las skyes pa'i shes pa las gzhan pa'i shes pa gang rtogs byed kyi shes pa gzhan ma dmigs pa'i phyir ro/_/

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SourceAuthor People/Pawo Rinpoche, 2nd
SourceCitation Dpa' bo gtsug lag phreng ba. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i rnam bshad theg chen chos kyi rgya mtsho zab rgyas mtha' yas pa'i snying po. The Essence of the Immeasurable, Profound and Vast Ocean of the Dharma of the Great Vehicle. Rouffignac, France: Nehsang Samten Chöling, n.d. See Sarnath: vajra vidya institute, 2003.
SourceShortTitle The Essence of the Immeasurable, Profound and Vast Ocean of the Dharma of the Great Vehicle
SourceTitleTibetan བྱང་ཆུབ་སེམས་དཔའི་སྤྱོད་པ་ལ་འཇུག་པའི་རྣམ་པར་བཤད་པ་ཐེག་ཆེན་ཆོས་ཀྱི་རྒྱ་མཚོ་ཟབ་རྒྱས་མཐའ་ཡས་པའི་སྙིང་པོ།
SourceTitleWylie byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i rnam par bshad pa theg chen chos kyi rgya mtsho zab rgyas mtha' yas pa'i snying po
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TransMemDate 1 April 2025
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