Translation Memory:011-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Pawo/816
011-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Pawo/816 ID: 011-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Pawo <br> Date: 1 April 2025 <br> Creator: Gwen, Karma Jurmay, Dawa, Migmar;Jeremi <br> Origin: Tsadra Foundation
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| English | You might argue, “Since this subtle suffering arises at some time that is other than the [time of] gross pleasure, there is no mistake.” Any subtlety of suffering must still pertain to this gross pleasure in that it is its adverse condition. Due to this, it is impossible that pleasure arises while suffering exists. Rather, it would follow that it is never possible for pleasure to arise, since suffering ultimately exists. You might say, “Suffering does not arise as something permanent by nature; it merely originates from an assembly of causes and conditions.” If this is the case, this can only mean that this [suffering] appears in different situations merely due to an assembly of delusive causes and conditions. Thus, our conceptions of pleasurable, painful, and neutral feelings and our apprehension of them as actualities are nothing but just mistaken imaginations.1697As can be seen, the text of verses 90 and 91 is somewhat rearranged in the commentary, which is partly due to the variants in lines 90bc. Padma Karpo’s commentary shows the same variants but gives a different explanation: “You might say, ‘At the time of pleasure, suffering exists in a subtle form. However, isn’t it that this gross pleasure removes the gross form [of suffering]? Then, it is merely something other; i.e., its gross form has subsided and its subtle form becomes manifest.’ Any subtlety must still pertain to its respective type. Since it cannot go beyond [its type], it is still suffering or pleasure [respectively].” (p. 157) Almost all other commentators explain this verse by taking the first three lines as the statement of the opponent. Ngülchu Togme’s commentary may exemplify this: “You might say, ‘Since the experience of suffering in a subtle form exists, it is definitely a feeling. However, isn’t it that its gross form is removed by powerful pleasure? It surely is. The nature of this subtle [suffering] is a joy different from that gross pleasure, i.e., a mere slight pleasure.’ Any experience of [such] subtlety would not be suffering, since it must still pertain to this type of pleasure.” (p. 344) See also Künzang Pelden’s commentary (Kun bzang dpal ldan 1990, pp. 90–91), which—as so often—corresponds almost exactly to Mipham Rinpoche’s Ketaka Jewel. |
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| RootTextChapterNum | 9 |
| RootTextVerseNum | 90;91 |
| SegmentFormat | Commentary |
| SourcePageNumber | 864 |
| SourceSabcheNumber | 3.2.2.2.1. |
| SourceSegmentOrder | 816 |
| Tibetan | སྡུག་བསྔལ་ཕྲ་མོ་དེ་ནི་བདེ་བ་རགས་པ་དེ་ལས་གཞན་པའི་དུས་འགའ་ཞིག་དུ་སྐྱེ་བས་སྐྱོན་མེད་ཏོ་ཅེ་ན། སྡུག་བསྔལ་ཕྲ་མོ་ཉིད་དེ་ཡང་བདེ་བ་རགས་པ་དེའི་འགལ་རྐྱེན་དུ་གྱུར་པས་ན་སྡུག་བསྔལ་དེ་ཡོད་བཞིན་བདེ་བ་དེ་སྐྱེ་མི་སྲིད་པར་འགྱུར་ལ་སྡུག་བསྔལ་དེ་ནི་དོན་དམ་པར་ཡོད་པས་ནམ་ཡང་བདེ་བ་སྐྱེ་བ་མི་སྲིད་པར་ཐལ་བར་འགྱུར་རོ། ། |
| TranslationChapter | 9 |
| TranslationChapterSubsection | Feelings as Such Are Not Established |
| TranslationPageNumber | 724 |
| Wylie | sdug bsngal phra mo de ni bde ba rags pa de las gzhan pa'i dus 'ga' zhig du skye bas skyon med to ce na/_sdug bsngal phra mo nyid de yang bde ba rags pa de'i 'gal rkyen du gyur pas na sdug bsngal de yod bzhin bde ba de skye mi srid par 'gyur la sdug bsngal de ni don dam par yod pas nam yang bde ba skye ba mi srid par thal bar 'gyur ro/_/ |
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| Parameter | Value |
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| AuthorLabel | Pawo Rinpoche 1504 - 1566 |
| DuplicateRootTranslation | false |
| RootSourceTransMem | 001-Tsadra-BCA-Root-Padmakara |
| RootTextWikiPage | Bodhicaryāvatāra |
| ShortTitle | Brunnhölzl 2004 |
| SourceAuthor | People/Pawo Rinpoche, 2nd |
| SourceCitation | Dpa' bo gtsug lag phreng ba. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i rnam bshad theg chen chos kyi rgya mtsho zab rgyas mtha' yas pa'i snying po. The Essence of the Immeasurable, Profound and Vast Ocean of the Dharma of the Great Vehicle. Rouffignac, France: Nehsang Samten Chöling, n.d. See Sarnath: vajra vidya institute, 2003. |
| SourceShortTitle | The Essence of the Immeasurable, Profound and Vast Ocean of the Dharma of the Great Vehicle |
| SourceTitleTibetan | བྱང་ཆུབ་སེམས་དཔའི་སྤྱོད་པ་ལ་འཇུག་པའི་རྣམ་པར་བཤད་པ་ཐེག་ཆེན་ཆོས་ཀྱི་རྒྱ་མཚོ་ཟབ་རྒྱས་མཐའ་ཡས་པའི་སྙིང་པོ། |
| SourceTitleWylie | byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i rnam par bshad pa theg chen chos kyi rgya mtsho zab rgyas mtha' yas pa'i snying po |
| SourceVersionLabel | Pawo Rinpoche, 2nd (1504 - 1566) |
| SourceWikiPage | Texts/Spyod 'jug rnam bshad theg chen chos kyi rgya mtsho |
| TranslationCitation | Brunnhölzl, Karl. The Center of the Sunlit Sky: Madhyamaka in the Kagyü Tradition. Including a translation of Pawo Rinpoche's commentary on the knowledge section of Śāntideva's The Entrance to the Bodhisattva’s Way of Life (Bodhicaryāvatāra). Nitartha Institute Series. Ithaca, NY: Snow Lion Publications, 2004. |
| TranslationPublishedYear | 2004 |
| TranslationWikiPage | Books/The Center of the Sunlit Sky |
| Translator | People/Brunnhölzl, K. |
| TransMemCreator | Gwen, Karma Jurmay, Dawa, Migmar;Jeremi |
| TransMemDate | 1 April 2025 |
| TransMemID | 011-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Pawo |
| TransMemNum | 011 |
| TransMemOrigin | Tsadra Foundation |
| TransMemType | Commentary |
