Translation Memory:011-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Pawo/376
011-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Pawo/376 ID: 011-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Pawo <br> Date: 1 April 2025 <br> Creator: Gwen, Karma Jurmay, Dawa, Migmar;Jeremi <br> Origin: Tsadra Foundation
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| English | Also here in the land of Tibet, it seems that there were limitless people who negated the “view that eliminates the four extremes” by calling its [propounders pejoratively] “those who [have the view of] neither existence nor nonexistence”;1559This refers to the Centrist view that in Tibet was called “the center free from extremes” (Tib. mtha’ bral dbu ma), another name for the view of “the earlier Centrists.” As mentioned in the introduction on the lineages of Centrism, this view was proclaimed by Patsab Lotsāwa Nyima Tra and his four main disciples (specifically Shang Tangsagba); the Sakya masters Rendawa, Gorampa Sönam Senge, and Dagtsang Lotsāwa; the Eighth Karmapa; Pawo Rinpoche, and others. This view uses Madhyamaka analysis that results in an unqualified negation of all four positions of the typical Centrist tetralemma without asserting anything instead in order to completely overcome all conceptualizations. In this way, it is certainly an accurate characterization of the Indian Prāsaṅgika Madhyamaka approach. This is also what is understood by “the view of neither existence nor nonexistence” when this expression is used by its advocates as solely pertaining to ultimate reality, i.e., that “the center” in the sense of ultimate reality is “neither the existence of a nature nor the nonexistence of a nature.” Starting with Tsongkhapa (1357–1419), the tradition of “the later Centrists”—the Gelugpa school—criticized this view by saying that “nonexistence of a nature” is the correct Centrist view and thus not to be negated (for details, see Chapter 6). In addition, in order to discredit the above understanding of Centrism, its critics linked “the view of neither existence nor nonexistence” with the notorious stereotype of Hvashang Mahāyāna, through which this understanding, in their eyes, assumed a pejorative meaning. Mipham Rinpoche’s Lamp of Certainty says that this term is also used as a pejorative for the system of the Great Perfection. See Pettit 1999, p. 297. who dismissed the “meditation that is free from cognition and without mental engagement”1560An expression for the practice of the Great Seal, as exemplified in the Ninth Karmapa’s Ocean of Definitive Meaning (Tib. nges don rgya mtsho). The Eighth Karmapa calls the Madhyamaka lineage of Maitrīpa “the center without mental engagement” (see the Introduction). by saying, “This is the tradition of the Chinese Hvashang”; who held that the “teaching about the nature of conception being the true nature of phenomena”1561This also refers to the teachings of the Great Seal, as it says in the Kagyü tradition’s Short Prayer to Vajradhara: “The essence of thoughts is dharmakāya.” and the “teaching that there is nothing to be adopted or rejected”1562This expression can be found in the teachings of the Great Seal, the Great Perfection, the tantras, and even many sātras, such as the Prajñāpāramitā sūtras. and so forth are limitless perverted dharmas. They presumed that [they themselves] are the suns of speech.1563I.e., they mistakenly considered themselves to be the brilliant suns among scholars who dispel the darkness of others’ wrong views. Even today, their followers greatly enhance their talking in the style of mangy horses,1564The Tibetan is not clear here: It could either be rdo rta (stone horse) or rngo rta (mangy horse). From the context, it is certain that the sense of the word is pejorative. The Dzogchen Ponlop Rinpoche said that this is some local jargon of the area where Pawo Rinpoche came from. which rejects the dharma, and thus open the gates [that lead] beneath the earth. |
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| RootTextChapterNum | 9 |
| RootTextVerseNum | 40 |
| SegmentFormat | Commentary |
| SourcePageNumber | 805 |
| SourceSabcheNumber | 2.2.2.1.2. |
| SourceSegmentOrder | 376 |
| Tibetan | བོད་ཡུལ་འདིར་ཡང་མཐའ་བཞི་བསལ་བའི་ལྟ་བ་ལ་ཡོད་མིན་མེད་མིན་པ་ཅེས་འགོག་པ་དང་། བློ་བྲལ་ཡིད་ལ་མི་བྱེད་པའི་སྒོམ་པ་ལ་རྒྱ་ནག་ཧ་ཤང་གི་ལུགས་ཞེས་འདོད་པ་དང་། རྣམ་རྟོག་གི་རང་བཞིན་ཆོས་ཉིད་དུ་བསྟན་པ་དང་བླང་དོར་མེད་པར་བསྟན་པ་སོགས་ལ་ལོག་པའི་ཆོས་ཚད་མེད་པར་འཛིན་པ་པོ་སྨྲ་བའི་ཉི་མར་རློམ་པ་མཐའ་ཡས་པར་བྱུང་ཞིང་རྗེས་འབྲང་རྣམས་ཀྱིས་ཀྱང་ད་ལྟའི་བར་དུའང་དེའི་ཆོས་སྤོང་གི་རྡོ་རྟའི་ངག་སྒྲོས་རྒྱ་ཆེར་དཔེལ་ཞིང་ས་འོག་གི་སྒོ་འབྱེད་པར་སྣང་བའི་ཕྱིར། |
| TranslationChapter | 9 |
| TranslationChapterSubsection | The Brief Answer in the Scriptures |
| TranslationPageNumber | 664 |
| Wylie | bod yul 'dir yang mtha' bzhi bsal ba'i lta ba la yod min med min pa ces 'gog pa dang /_blo bral yid la mi byed pa'i sgom pa la rgya nag ha shang gi lugs zhes 'dod pa dang /_rnam rtog gi rang bzhin chos nyid du bstan pa dang blang dor med par bstan pa sogs la log pa'i chos tshad med par 'dzin pa po smra ba'i nyi mar rlom pa mtha' yas par byung zhing rjes 'brang rnams kyis kyang da lta'i bar du'ang de'i chos spong gi rdo rta'i ngag sgros rgya cher dpel zhing sa 'og gi sgo 'byed par snang ba'i phyir/ |
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| Parameter | Value |
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| AuthorLabel | Pawo Rinpoche 1504 - 1566 |
| DuplicateRootTranslation | false |
| RootSourceTransMem | 001-Tsadra-BCA-Root-Padmakara |
| RootTextWikiPage | Bodhicaryāvatāra |
| ShortTitle | Brunnhölzl 2004 |
| SourceAuthor | People/Pawo Rinpoche, 2nd |
| SourceCitation | Dpa' bo gtsug lag phreng ba. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i rnam bshad theg chen chos kyi rgya mtsho zab rgyas mtha' yas pa'i snying po. The Essence of the Immeasurable, Profound and Vast Ocean of the Dharma of the Great Vehicle. Rouffignac, France: Nehsang Samten Chöling, n.d. See Sarnath: vajra vidya institute, 2003. |
| SourceShortTitle | The Essence of the Immeasurable, Profound and Vast Ocean of the Dharma of the Great Vehicle |
| SourceTitleTibetan | བྱང་ཆུབ་སེམས་དཔའི་སྤྱོད་པ་ལ་འཇུག་པའི་རྣམ་པར་བཤད་པ་ཐེག་ཆེན་ཆོས་ཀྱི་རྒྱ་མཚོ་ཟབ་རྒྱས་མཐའ་ཡས་པའི་སྙིང་པོ། |
| SourceTitleWylie | byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i rnam par bshad pa theg chen chos kyi rgya mtsho zab rgyas mtha' yas pa'i snying po |
| SourceVersionLabel | Pawo Rinpoche, 2nd (1504 - 1566) |
| SourceWikiPage | Texts/Spyod 'jug rnam bshad theg chen chos kyi rgya mtsho |
| TranslationCitation | Brunnhölzl, Karl. The Center of the Sunlit Sky: Madhyamaka in the Kagyü Tradition. Including a translation of Pawo Rinpoche's commentary on the knowledge section of Śāntideva's The Entrance to the Bodhisattva’s Way of Life (Bodhicaryāvatāra). Nitartha Institute Series. Ithaca, NY: Snow Lion Publications, 2004. |
| TranslationPublishedYear | 2004 |
| TranslationWikiPage | Books/The Center of the Sunlit Sky |
| Translator | People/Brunnhölzl, K. |
| TransMemCreator | Gwen, Karma Jurmay, Dawa, Migmar;Jeremi |
| TransMemDate | 1 April 2025 |
| TransMemID | 011-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Pawo |
| TransMemNum | 011 |
| TransMemOrigin | Tsadra Foundation |
| TransMemType | Commentary |