Translation Memory:002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar/1791
002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar/1791 ID: 002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar <br> Date: 10 June 2022 <br> Creator: Migmar;Gwen;Marcus;Jeremi <br> Origin: Tsadra Foundation
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| English | Once again, these two cases are not the same.218It is helpful to remember that the pairing "imputed self versus innate or coemergent self ” (brtags pa’i bdag and lhan skyes kyi bdag) is not the same as the pairing "the self as mere designation versus the inherently existent self ” (btags pa’i bdag and rang bzhin kyis grub pa’i bdag). In the first case, a contrast is made between the intellectual belief in the self, which is inculcated by incorrect religious and philosophical tenets, is acquired anew in any given existence, and may be demolished by reasoning, and, on the other hand, the innate sense of self, which is deeply ingrained in the mind, remains active from one life to the next, and can be dislodged only by prolonged meditative practice. In the second pairing, which is the one referred to in the present context, the conviction that the self is truly real is contrasted with the mere, unreflective, designation of self, which is no more than a convenient label and is useful in interpersonal discourse (when we talk to other people) and subjective reflection (when we talk to ourselves). Refutation of this mere designation is unnecessary, since it is not the deep-seated clinging that forms the basis of karma and defilement. It is also impossible, for no amount of reasoning will convince people to stop using the pronoun "I.” In comparing these two contrasted pairings of notions of the self, it will be found that the imputed self and the coemergent self are subdivisions of the supposedly inherently existent self. The sense of self that is just a label arises through the power of interdependence, and it is impossible for reasoning to prove that it does not appear in the experience of ordinary people. Moreover, there is no need to do so. On the other hand, belief in the inherently existing self may be annihilated by a mind that meditates on No-Self and realizes the nature of phenomena, just as darkness is scattered by the presence of light. This has the backing of perfectly coherent logic as well as reality itself. The view of self is a temporary deviation of the mind away from the nature of things and is due to extrinsic circumstances. Through the application of scriptural authority and reasoning, this aberration is overthrown. The mind thus penetrates the nature of phenomena, and since this is also the nature of the mind, the nature of things and the nature of the mind can never be separated. It is said in the Pramanavart-tika, "The nature of the mind is luminous clarity; all stains are adventitious.” |
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| RootTextChapterNum | 9 |
| RootTextVerseNum | 77 |
| SegmentFormat | Commentary |
| SourcePageNumber | 684 |
| SourceSabcheNumber | 2.2.1.2.3.3. |
| SourceSegmentOrder | 1791 |
| Tibetan | དེ་གཉིས་མི་མཚུངས་ཏེ་བཏགས་པ་ཙམ་རྟེན་ནས་འབྱུང་བའི་དབང་གིས་སྣང་བ་ལ་སོ་སྐྱེའི་ངོར་མི་སྣང་བར་སྒྲུབ་བྱེད་ཀྱི་རིགས་པ་མེད་ལ་བཟློག་ཀྱང་མི་དགོས་མོད། རང་བཞིན་གྱིས་གྲུབ་པར་འཛིན་པ་ནི་དངོས་པོའི་གནས་ཚུལ་རྟོགས་པའི་བློ་བདག་མེད་པ་བསྒོམ་པ་མཆོག་ཡིན་པས་སྤོང་ནུས་ཏེ། སྣང་བས་མུན་པ་བཞིན་དུ་ཡང་དག་པའི་ཚད་མ་དང་ལྡན་པ་དེ་ཉིད་སྟོབས་དང་ལྡན་པའི་ཕྱིར་རོ། །དེས་ན་བདག་ཏུ་ལྟ་བ་ནི་དངོས་པོའི་གནས་ཚུལ་ལས་གཞན་དུ་སྐྱོན་གྱིས་རེ་ཞིག་སེམས་གོལ་བ་ཡིན་ལ། དེ་ལུང་དང་རིགས་པའི་ལམ་ལས་བཟློག་སྟེ་དངོས་པོའི་གནས་ཚུལ་ལ་བློ་ཞུགས་པར་བྱས་ན་དེ་སེམས་ཀྱི་གཤིས་ཡིན་པས་དེ་དང་སེམས་བྲལ་དུ་མི་[p.685]Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa (1990) |
| TranslationChapter | 9 |
| TranslationChapterSubsection | A Demonstration That the Self as Label Is Not Refuted |
| TranslationCitation | Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2007. |
| TranslationPageNumber | 357 |
| TranslationPublishedYear | 2007 |
| TranslationWikiPage | The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech |
| Translator | Fletcher, W.; Blankleder, H. |
| Wylie | de gnyis mi mtshungs te btags pa tsam rten nas 'byung ba'i dbang gis snang ba la so skye'i ngor mi snang bar sgrub byed kyi rigs pa med la bzlog kyang mi dgos mod/_rang bzhin gyis grub par 'dzin pa ni dngos po'i gnas tshul rtogs pa'i blo bdag med pa bsgom pa mchog yin pas spong nus te/_snang bas mun pa bzhin du yang dag pa'i tshad ma dang ldan pa de nyid stobs dang ldan pa'i phyir ro/_/des na bdag tu lta ba ni dngos po'i gnas tshul las gzhan du skyon gyis re zhig sems gol ba yin la/_de lung dang rigs pa'i lam las bzlog ste dngos po'i gnas tshul la blo zhugs par byas na de sems kyi gshis yin pas de dang sems bral du mi[p.685]Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa (1990) |
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| Parameter | Value |
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| AuthorLabel | Kunzang Palden 1862 - 1943 |
| DuplicateRootTranslation | false |
| Notes | First Translation Memory Created by Tsadra Foundation. |
| RootSourceTransMem | 001-Tsadra-BCA-Root-Padmakara |
| RootTextWikiPage | Texts/Bodhicaryāvatāra |
| ShortTitle | Padmakara (2006) |
| SourceAuthor | People/Kun bzang dpal ldan |
| SourceCitation | Kun bzang dpal ldan. Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i tshig 'grel 'jam dbyangs bla ma'i zhal lung bdud rtsi'i thig pa. IN byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa. khreng tu'u: si khron mi rigs dpe skrun khang, 1990. BDRC W21985 |
| SourcePublishedYear | 1990 |
| SourceTitleTibetan | བྱང་ཆུབ་སེམས་དཔའི་སྤྱོད་པ་ལ་འཇུག་པའི་ཚིག་འགྲེལ་འཇམ་དབྱངས་བླ་མའི་ཞལ་ལུང་བདུད་རྩིའི་ཐིག་པ། |
| SourceTitleWylie | Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa'i tshig 'grel 'jam dbyangs bla ma'i zhal lung bdud rtsi'i thig pa |
| SourceVersionLabel | Kunzang Palden (1862 - 1943) |
| SourceWikiPage | Books/Byang chub sems dpa'i spyod pa la 'jug pa rtsa ba dang 'grel pa (1990) |
| TranslationCitation | Blankleder, Helena, and Wulstan Fletcher (Padmakara Translation Group), trans. The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech: A Detailed Commentary on Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva. By Kunzang Pelden. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 2007. |
| TranslationPublishedYear | 2007 |
| TranslationWikiPage | Books/The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech |
| Translator | People/Blankleder, H.;People/Fletcher, W.;People/Padmakara Translation Group |
| TransMemCreator | Migmar;Gwen;Marcus;Jeremi |
| TransMemDate | 10 June 2022 |
| TransMemID | 002-Tsadra-BCA-Com-Nectar |
| TransMemNum | 002 |
| TransMemOrigin | Tsadra Foundation |
| TransMemType | Commentary |
